It Depends: Lessons in Technology Leadership

In this episode, Kevin digs into the often-ignored side of engineering leadership: organizational design. He explores how structure shapes communication, culture, and even software architecture. Conway’s Law still applies. Kevin shares practical ways to diagnose bottlenecks, refactor teams, and evolve your organization with intent. From mapping the flow of work to understanding team topologies, this is a grounded guide to designing organizations that actually work.

• Architecture and Organization talk (https://www.kevingoldsmith.com/talks/architecture-and-organization.html)
• Reinventing Organizations by Fredric Laloux (https://amzn.to/43fwrRk)
• Team Topologies by Skelton/Pais (https://amzn.to/4nPHVDA)
• Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6
• The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022 (https://itdependsbook.net)
• Your host: Kevin Goldsmith (https://kevingoldsmith.com)

Kevin Goldsmith revisits his influential 2013 keynote on engineering culture, expanding the conversation beyond just engineering teams to address anyone navigating workplace dynamics. This episode breaks down the real mechanics of how organizational values create culture, and how culture shapes everything from hiring decisions to performance reviews.

What you'll learn:

• The difference between stated company values and actual values (and a simple test to tell them apart)
• Why culture "eats strategy for breakfast" and how it can accelerate or sabotage company success
• How to build systems that reinforce positive culture through career ladders, hiring, and onboarding
• When and why firing for culture fit is necessary
• How to evaluate company culture during job interviews (especially what happens when companies face pressure)
• Why team culture vs. company culture tensions arise and how to navigate them
• What to do when company culture shifts rapidly due to acquisitions or leadership changes

Drawing from his experiences at Microsoft, Adobe, and Spotify, Kevin shares both successes and failures in culture building, including why he stayed at some companies for years and left others. He offers practical frameworks for managers building strong team cultures and individuals seeking workplaces aligned with their values.

Whether you're a team lead trying to strengthen your engineering culture, an individual contributor evaluating your current role, or someone interviewing for new positions, this episode provides actionable insights for understanding and navigating the often-invisible forces that shape our daily work experience.

• Taking a Thoughtful Approach to the Job Search Process (https://itdependspod.com/episodes/taking-a-thoughtful-approach-to-the-job-search-process/)
• Building a Strong Engineering Culture Keynote https://www.kevingoldsmith.com/talks/building-a-strong-engineering-culture.html
• LeadDev New York (Use code KEVIN25 for 25% off registration)
• Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6
• The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022
• Your host: Kevin Goldsmith

In this episode of It Depends: Lessons in Technology Leadership, Kevin returns from a summer break with a new podcast format and two big topics. First, he shares practical advice for navigating an unplanned career break—whether due to layoffs or a tough job market. From reframing “career break” on your résumé, to launching a consultancy, building a startup, or contributing to open source, Kevin outlines concrete ways to stay relevant, keep your skills sharp, and strengthen your positioning for the next opportunity.

Then he pulls back the curtain on what a CTO really does all day. Drawing on his experience at mid-stage startups, Kevin explains the balance between executive responsibilities, one-on-ones, cross-functional collaboration, strategic thinking, and even the occasional coding. He highlights how priorities shift depending on company size, culture, and market, and why visibility, prioritization, and time management are crucial at the executive level.

This episode blends career survival strategies with an honest look at senior leadership—helpful both for those navigating career uncertainty and those aspiring to the CTO role.

• LeadDev New York (Use code KEVIN25 for 25% off registration)
• Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6
• The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022
• Your host: Kevin Goldsmith

This is a repeat of an episode originally released on April 13, 2025

In October 2025, I will once again be speaking at the Lead Dev New York event. Registration and information are available here. You can use the discount code “KEVIN15” to receive 15% off your registration.

In this special episode, Kevin Goldsmith is joined by longtime friend and peer Kevin Stewart, SVP of Engineering at Splice, to challenge the familiar yet flawed narrative: that a team within a large company can "operate like a startup." Drawing on their shared experiences at Adobe and divergent paths through startups, they explore why innovation often stalls inside large organizations and what makes real startup environments fundamentally different.

This wide-ranging conversation explores culture, risk, incentives, and why resource contention, rather than imagination, hinders corporate innovation. Whether you lead a startup or a legacy company trying to move faster, this episode offers a valuable perspective.

• • Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6
  • The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022
  • Your host: Kevin Goldsmith
  • The Guest: Kevin Stewart

This is a repeat of an episode originally released on March 2, 2025

In this episode of the "It Depends" podcast, host Kevin Goldsmith shares his unique experience designing Spotify's engineering career framework. As the leader of this initiative, Kevin provides a behind-the-scenes look at how Spotify's distinct career pathing system was developed, a system that reinforced its unique engineering culture rather than undermining it.

Kevin explains the delicate balance of timing when implementing a career framework. Waiting too long (as Spotify did) can cause problems, but implementing too early can stifle a growing organization. He emphasizes how career pathing must align with company values, as it directly influences what behaviors get rewarded and ultimately shapes your culture.

The episode covers Spotify's collaborative approach to creating its "Career Steps" framework, involving representatives from across the organization rather than simply adopting another company's model. Kevin shares their guiding principles, including the crucial shift from focusing on achievements to behaviors, supporting specialists and generalists, and defining career growth by expanding spheres of influence.

Whether you're a tech leader contemplating how to structure growth paths for your team or an individual contributor wondering how career frameworks influence company culture, this episode is a must-listen. It offers valuable insights into one of the most foundational aspects of engineering leadership, insights that are relevant and beneficial for both roles.

• LeadDev New York (Use the discount code “KEVIN15” for 15% off on your registration)
• Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6
• The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022
• Your host: Kevin Goldsmith

This is a repeat of an episode originally released on August 4, 2024.

In this episode of the It Depends podcast, host Kevin Goldsmith delves into the complexities of managing partially distributed engineering teams.

Kevin discusses the nuances of communication, collaboration, and culture in partially distributed teams, emphasizing the unique challenges that arise when some team members work remotely while others remain in the office. He highlights his experiences at companies like Adobe, Microsoft, and more, offering valuable lessons on effective management strategies and the importance of maintaining human connections in a digital work environment.

Whether you're a tech leader navigating the post-COVID landscape or simply interested in the future of work, this episode provides actionable insights and practical advice for fostering successful distributed teams

links:

• LeadDev New York
• Video and slides from Leading Distributed Teams
• The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022
• Your host: Kevin Goldsmith
• The newsletter

If you are on the technology management track, the final role is Chief Technology Officer. Still, the path to the role is not obvious because the role itself differs greatly from company to company. The episode includes chapter 10 from "It Depends: Writing on Technology Leadership 2012-2022," "Becoming a CTO." This chapter discusses the common skills needed for the CTO in almost any company and how the role differs between early-stage and mid-stage companies.

This is a repeat of an episode originally released on April 28, 2024.

• Seattle's Got Tech Event at Seattle Startup Week
• LeadDev New York
• Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6
• The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022
• Your host: Kevin Goldsmith

We discuss how critical failure is to innovation and how to handle it effectively. We discuss how software used to be written, Clippy, and why it was bound to fail. We also explore how Spotify utilizes the Think It/Build It/Ship It/Tweak It framework to build fail-safe products, and more.

This is a repeat of an episode originally released on January 20, 2024.

• Seattle's Got Tech Event at Seattle Startup Week
• LeadDev New York
• Listener Survey: https://forms.gle/JVeKHsHJKhEM3dvK6
• The book: It Depends: Writing on Technology 2012-2022
• Your host: Kevin Goldsmith